Good healthy carnage

[Joe H]

Whadaya mean you won't accept my core?

Joe H

 

[couesaddict]

Does it come with a lock n stitch kit?

 

[Truck Shop]

50% of what's listed on MP is either junk or missing necessary parts and pieces,
especially when it comes to machine tooling.
Don't low ball them--their nuts are already dragging, they know what they have.

 

[DMiller]

What is visible is considered a 'Breakage" unit that needs further disassembly. Then scrappers will pay Clean Prices, around $30-50 total, in separated materials. Like a AC Compressor or a Copper Core with Aluminum fins, they either require separated and Clean or assembled and they break apart. Not worth the effort on my part most of the time as too little materials involved.

 

[Truck Shop]

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[Tones]

Are the the same pistons as the 4BT engine?

 

[Truck Shop]

Are the the same pistons as the 4BT engine?

I believe so, depending on CPL.

 

[couesaddict]

Reviving my old dodge that I’ve let sit and rot for close to 10 years. Not trying to make a ton of power with it but decided I’m probably in the category of needing head studs so I bought a set of arp 2000’s. Was on the final sequence at 125 foot pounds and POW! Pulled the head and welded it out…..

 

[couesaddict]

I suppose the funniest part is that with these studs, you have to bottom tap every hole. I decided the stock head gasket from ‘95 had made it this long, I didn’t want to disturb it. Spent a TON of time doing one at a time and running an extended length tap to the bottom of each hole then fishing a magnet in and out pulling chips only to pull the head in the end…. Only salvation is the cylinders look to be in great shape with the crosshatch still looking pretty fresh.

 

[couesaddict]

The company I bought the studs from offered to send me a replacement stud for free. I had a picture of another that, to me looked like it was stretched in the same spot and pointed that out. I don’t want to go back with any of them at this point. It’s not my first time and I don’t feel I’ve done anything wrong but they don’t know me from Adam. They agreed but couldn’t warranty something that hadn’t failed. I honestly was prepared for that and can’t argue it. Too many variables and too many people these days looking for something for nothing. They didn’t do the install with a calibrated torque wrench and mine hasn’t been on a tester in close to 10 years. They ended up selling me another set of studs at cost (about $150 less) with a 20oz can of the arp lube thrown in. All in all, it hurts but I’m ok with it and didn’t argue with them. The guy that helps me at work has a new matco digital torque wrench that I’m gonna borrow the next go-round just for piece of mind…. I’d think if one was off it would tend to read low but I don’t know.

 

[Truck Shop]

to me looked like it was stretched in the same spot and pointed that out.

Wouldn't be the first time.
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My thought on studs--3406's,C15, N14, DD15, Series 60 and X15 don't use them. Ford used studs on
the flathead V8 {21 stud} and those blew head gaskets like no tomorrow with real low
compression, after 1953 ford stopped using studs.

 

[couesaddict]

With that being said, it’s a well known fact that in the performance world of these “automotive” diesels, if you increase combustion pressures to a certain point, you’re going to blow a head gasket with stock bolts. I have arp “625” studs in another truck that’s seen close to 70psi boost with a small set of compounds that likely produces quite a bit more drive pressure. They’ve been in since 2011 and it’s still running the stock head gasket. Something was wrong on the install this time. I’m thinking studs were soft but I can’t prove it. These hobbies are expensive….

 

[DMiller]

Detroits Two Strokes and Mack EN series used studs, later bulldogs used head bolts DD 2 strokes are just history.

 

[Truck Shop]

Detroits Two Strokes and Mack EN series used studs, later bulldogs used head bolts DD 2 strokes are just history.

Correct--history, behind us, gone with the sands in hour glass.
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With that being said, it’s a well known fact that in the performance world of these “automotive” diesels,

Two key words--performance and "automotive, could just possibly be the real issue.
But I was hoping someone else would inject those two needed words, it's not really
the bolts fault.

 

[DMiller]

When looked at old to new head bolts on the C15, was astonished as are torqued to a fixed value and turned addition degrees to force stretch. Was Visible old to new and as pulled the engine down second time the stretch on New used to new replacements was similar. Do not get that, torque to release, non sensical.

 

[Truck Shop]

Do not get that, torque to release, non sensical.

Agreed, for every action there is a direct and opposite reaction.

 

[MarshallPowerGen]

Reviving my old dodge that I’ve let sit and rot for close to 10 years. Not trying to make a ton of power with it but decided I’m probably in the category of needing head studs so I bought a set of arp 2000’s. Was on the final sequence at 125 foot pounds and POW! Pulled the head and welded it out…..

Was 125ft/lbs the ARP spec for your 5.9?

Just wondering since I overtorqued mine to 110ft/lbs on my 6.9idi, but that only sees 10-15lbs of boost. Granted, that was 15 years ago, so never know where the quality of anything is at now.

 

[couesaddict]

Yes 125 is their spec for final torque on these 12mm studs.

 

[HarleyHappy]

The worst ones are the Torque to lead. You torque it so far, then have to tighten it up more, sometimes 50%. I have to make marks on a socket or extension and kind of guess, as to how far.
They are one time use bolts and you can feel them stretching.
I have never had good luck, with ARP bolts, especially in that application.

 

[couesaddict]

I’ve got a set of their premium 625 studs in my other truck that have been problem free for 15 years. They’re super expensive though and I didn’t feel I needed them for this one. Now that you figure in the head gasket set and additional studs I’m pretty well there and wish I’d have just gone that route. Lesson learned. Or I suppose the smarter thing would have been to leave the fuel and boost down closer to stock levels and none of it would’ve been necessary. No fun though.