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Are new machines too complex?

Truck Shop

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Those little freight shaker dump trucks we have come standard with the automatic transmission. If you want a stick, it's a longer wait
Percentage of actual automatics and automated manual transmissions coming off the assembly
lines is about 85%. Manuals are on the way out. Besides a new CDL is stamped automatic only
or both.
 

Welder Dave

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Was was was. It was never put into production, and would have been obsolete before it began it's intercepter roll. It was ruined by politics as was the rest of the Canadian military. I can't believe the people on social media calling for it's return. It's done and over with. We are committed to the 16 or 17 F35s, they have already invested in infrastructure and training on the F35. Lockheed has promised investments in Canada. Buy the rest of the fighters and be done with it. It would be just like Ottawa to waste a bunch of money buying some Euro fighter, and have to invest in more infrastructure and training for a totally different platform.

Moving the controls on some wire controlled machines has no feeling, Even with pilot controls, there is a feeling of things starting to happen. Not a pressure, just a feeling in the control that fluid is starting to move. Wire control feels the same if the machine was turned off. Maybe is a personal preference. Like slowly squeezing the garden hose nozzle
Just saying the Arrow had the first fly-by-wire in a non experimental aircraft. Not trying to debate its return. I'm sure there were supersonic planes before the F16 that had fly-by-wire. Human reflexes aren't fast enough at supersonic speeds. A big reason the Arrow was cancelled was because the Americans were embarrassed that Canada had a better plane than anything they even had on the books. Canada looked into this before going ahead with the Arrow. The US convinced the Canadian gov't. that manned aircraft would be become obsolete and Canada should invest in Bomarc missiles... which were a huge flop. They also offered Canada discounted used F101's that were inferior to the Arrow. History has proven that manned aircraft still serve a vitally important role in the defense of nations. The Arrow cancellation was very political but not because it would become obsolete. Even though the Arrow was cancelled it doesn't take away from the fact that it was the most advanced intercepter in the world and the eyes of the aviation world were on Avro Canada. It was 25 years ahead of its time. This is not in dispute. To realize how advanced Avro was you just have to look at the accomplishment of former employee's. 25 engineers went to NASA and were instrumental in putting a man on the moon. Without them it would have taken a lot longer. The head of engineering was a lead consultant on the Concorde. Compare the cockpit of the SR71 to the Arrow. Avro had some preliminary designs for a Mach 3 Arrow. Avro's Orenda engine division were the first to pioneer the use of titanium as the engines were the first in the world designed around titanium. They were the most powerful jet engines in the world and one was sent to the UK. It's believed the engines for the Concorde were based on the design of the Arrows engines. Avro also had the first jet transport in N. America a full 7 years ahead of Boeing and only 2 weeks behind the Dehaviland Comet. It should be noted that the Comet was a flawed design and just lifting off the runway (and coming back down) was considered its first flight. The Jetliner's first flight was an actual flight at altitude. Howard Hughes wanted to build Jetliners under license. Pierre Burton called the scrapping of all the Arrows and tooling the biggest act of official vandalism in Canadian history. 14,000 employee's of Avro laid off and just as many from suppliers for the Arrow. Largest layoff in Canadian history. Some former employee's commited suicide. The decision to cancel wasn't based on cost. Avro offered 100 fully developed aircraft to the RCAF for $12,500,000.00 each which would have been the deal of the century. Since then Canada has spent billions more buying aircraft from the US. Had the political situation been similar to today it's likely the Arrow wouldn't have been cancelled.
 

Wastepro

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Just finished shining up my tin foil hat. Seems obvious there is a grand scheme at work here to put computer software on everything you could or might buy in the world. And with software comes endless subscription fees and updates. Complicated computerized machines make for regular customers.
 

PeterG

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After going to the doctor, I decided it was best to start exercising again. I pulled out my old bicycle only to find I needed easier gears to get up hills. Bike parts that are 10 years old don't work with new parts. Shifting is electronic shifting now, and you need to remember to plug your bike in at night or you can't shift. Brakes aren't caliper at all, and are now disc, and frames are all carbon fiber. I bought a new bike computer with GPS. I selected a Garmin 540 which is as complicated as setting up your new smart phone. I did not get touch screen which I wish I had. I get heartrate, power, speed, cadence, and radar via bluetooth connections to sensors around the bike. I have a rear flashing light that has radar in it. I could have bought the Garmin one that also has the rear camera in it. As vehicles come up behind me, you can see little dots moving closer to me. The Garmin stuff cost about $600. I like the radar, and getting my vitals, but the Garmin exercising software is beyond me, and what I need. I haven't decided if I'm going to drop $4000-$6500 on a new bike which is only for a "good" bike, not top of the line. Like anything new, some of it is great, and some of it is just annoying.

The new car we just bought is the "touring loaded" model. We love the vehicle, but not all the electronics. Especially when I glance over to pick up my Coffee and the screen lights up with the message to "Keep my eyes on the road".

Ok, so how do I program the hydraulic flow for the attachments on my......
 

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Another thing not mentioned yet is that if parts for these electronics and wiring harnesses aren't available in the future you will have a choice of a newer current machine or a really really old school machine.
 

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Eventually repair/diagnostics will all be done on a pay up front app on your I Phone.
All this scanner stuff will end up at Johnny's Junk. Plus your cell will have a lazer cutter/
welder for up to 2" material. Think of Star Trek.
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People in 1990 said drive it's self vehicles were light years away while they talked on
a brick cell phone.
 
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