Too early to tell if DEF is going away?

[Shimmy1]

EPA Revokes Emissions Rule: What It Means for Trucking

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has rescinded a key …

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[92U 3406]

Its not going anywhere. Things will change again in a couple years and we'll only see emissions get even stricter.

 

[crane operator]

The engine manufacturers have invested too much money in research and development to meet the new standards. The only way to recoup that investment, is to sell those engines. I think the EPA changes are headed for court, not implementation.

I don't see things going back to 1998 standards, but I could certainly be wrong.

 

[cuttin edge]

I thought this was an update on your friends contaminated fuel

 

[Shimmy1]

I thought this was an update on your friends contaminated fuel

Lol. Nope, just ran across this, was the most un-political article I could find. There's a lot of speculation going on about it.

 

[Truck Shop]

Emission equipment as it is today, has yielded high profits for manufactures. Besides what
they have invested and have on hand plus warehouses full of replacement parts, those
manufactures like the proceeds and so do investors. If they were to drop everything and
return to pre-1998 standards they are going to want to make that up somehow. Those
companies have control over industry, do not want to go back to suppling parts for
30 plus year old equipment/trucks/cars to be rebuilt over and over. As it is now they like
the 15 years and done with it. imo.

 

[Tones]

It will only take one manufacture to start making pre 98 engines and make a killing for the rest to change their minds.
PS, Cummins do make old school engines for the US military which could be released for civilian use.

 

[Shimmy1]

Honestly, I would settle for dropping all off-highway engines down to Tier 3. The manufacturers already build them for export. If states want to impress their own BS, they could handle it however they choose.

 

[92U 3406]

If anything manufacturers would probably just remove the emission equipment from their current offerings. The cost to retool a production line to mass produce N14s and Series 60s for a year or two wouldn't be worth it.

 

[John C.]

By the time it gets to the Supreme Court there will be a new regime.

 

[Tones]

Cummins still makes the 903 V8 which is away older than the N14, just sayin

 

[JD955SC]

It will be tied up in courts, states like CA won’t care what federal law says, and so on so the safe bet will be no real changes

In 2016 and 2024 the shops were abuzz with the hopes that Tier 4 would be removed or slackened and that R-1234yf would go away- it won’t.

In fact I start my A/C and Tier 4 courses with:

“Look you may not be a fan but you have to work on it and it’s not going anywhere, no matter who’s in the White House so you might as well learn to work on it”

 

[Truck Shop]

 

[Birken Vogt]

Cummins do make old school engines for the US military which could be released for civilian use.

They all make sane versions of their basic designs without all the crazy bolt on parts for military and export to Less Regulated Countries, all it would take to change would be a stroke of the pen.

 

[Truck Shop]

And manufactures just might lobby against in a 180* turn to keep the revenue up. It's about money.

 

[Mr. Wrench]

I don't really see it going away. It puts the OEMs in a bad place. If they just drop it, in a couple of years it could all come back with a different administration. Then they are behind three years of R & D plus the cost of all the manufacturing changes. I wish it was going away, but I don't see it happening. The most I see is them not going after deletes as much. What if companies are allowed to delete their trucks and in a few years that changes. Look at all the cost to reinstall or replace trucks and the parts bottle neck that could be. It will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[DDoug]

Could they simply do a Delete ? Like aftermarket is already doing ?

 

[Coaldust]

I don’t see it going away, maybe some EPA approved software updates to go easy on de-rating.

What I do see is possibly no more Fed enforcement on delete parts and shops.

We could possibly get by for three years until the next regime takes over. Fleets could save $ millions.

 

[masterwelder]

I think they have already/ or going to be relaxing the farming side of emissions- longer time to derate parameters and the right to repair.

I would welcome that as a start on the on road side also, building up to something that provides a longer lasting engine, less cost of acquisition/ ownership/ repair while not taking clean air for granted. It felt to me like we jumped out of the plane with no parachute over emissions. There has to be a middle ground so we do this at a pace that doesn't run everyone over.

 

[Truck Shop]

Couple sides to it--Manufactures knew emissions were coming all the way back to late 70's.
All chose to kick the can down the road until time was running out then forced to comply.
Building--- using the consumer as guinea pig. And everyone got pi--ed and rightly so. They
saw what was taking place in auto industry and knew what was coming their way. They had
time to do a better job, but chose not to.
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As far as deletes go--that is going to depend on who is doing it, especially if unit is under
warranty. Which means dealer authorized and performed delete. It's not going to be a
Johnny Bob and still meet warranty coverage. Costs will be extensive or warranty will be
nullified.