• Thank you for visiting HeavyEquipmentForums.com! Our objective is to provide industry professionals a place to gather to exchange questions, answers and ideas. We welcome you to register using the "Register" icon at the top of the page. We'd appreciate any help you can offer in spreading the word of our new site. The more members that join, the bigger resource for all to enjoy. Thank you!

289D Drive motor speed sensor faults 2685-8

flipz34

Member
Joined
Oct 11, 2016
Messages
10
Location
Texas
I have a 289D, TAW05187, that has abnormal drive motor frequency faults for all 4 speed sensors (2685, 2686, 2687, 2688). It has the intermittent fault that only shows when moving the machine. I've gone through the service manual and all the wiring checks fine according to the troubleshooting guide. I initially started checking wiring at machine ecm and working toward the speed sensors themselves since it was all 4 sensors and I felt it was a common fault. 8V ref was reading about 7.95 at every point I tested it. All grounds I tested were good. I swapped in a spare speed sensor from a 279D that I had lying around with no changes to any readings. There is a small amount of hydraulic oil on the face of the sensor when I remove it. I know that could cause an incorrect reading on the sensor but the fault happens so quickly that I don't believe it's the source of my issues.

I had a tilt cylinder fault 458-4 that went away when I replaced the sensor. I only dug into that because it used the same 8V reference.

I've also got a 3700-3 inclinometer fault that has been around for quite awhile. We haven't looked into that one because the dealership said it won't affect anything other than the operation of the self leveling function of the machine and my 279D had had the same fault for about 6 years with no other side effects. Once I started looking into that I found that the inclinometer uses the same 8V ref. Could everything that uses that reference signal cause problems elsewhere in the circuit? I've googled "can an inclinometer fault 3700-3 cause 2685-8 speed sensor faults" twice and the AI said no the first time and yes the second so I'm reluctant to trust that. I have started looking into the 3700 and I think that I've got a ground issue on the inclinometer circuit as I get around 1000 ohms on step 2 of the 3700-3 troubleshooting tree.


Most of the threads I find on this either don't resolve or come down to a sensor or wiring. Not came to that point as of yet. Just really looking for an idea on where to go from here. Should I track down the inclinometer problem in case it's the root of my issues or am I headed in the wrong direction. I have the service manual and diagrams for the machine as well as ET.


Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.
 

flipz34

Member
Joined
Oct 11, 2016
Messages
10
Location
Texas
Just went through the 3700-3 troubleshooting again. Seems as though I had a bad ground when checking things late yesterday. Went through from start to finish and it's telling me my inclinometer is faulty. As in my original post, with that fault active, could this be driving all of my speed faults? I've also found that the 8V ref powers the roller switch on the right joystick which we use with our grappling bucket almost exclusively. If there was an issue there, would I have faults associated w/the joystick?

Thanks again
 

Nige

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 22, 2011
Messages
38,673
Location
G..G..G..Granville.........!! Fetch your cloth.
I have the service manual and diagrams for the machine as well as ET.
OEM service manual or aftermarket.?

If you haven’t already done so can you download a Product Status Report and post it up.

Can you give a bit more back story regarding the speed sensor Codes. Did they all appear at once or what.? Were they hard faults right from the get go or have they been coming and going for a while before setting permanently.?

EDIT: Regarding the 3700-3 inclinometer fault - If the wiring as far as the sensor is good then the Code should change to a 3700-4 if you unplug the connector closest to the sensor. From previous experience on the forum there is history of the wiring harness for that sensor getting rubbed through, so it may pay you to inspect it closely.
 
Last edited:

flipz34

Member
Joined
Oct 11, 2016
Messages
10
Location
Texas
OEM service manual or aftermarket.?

If you haven’t already done so can you download a Product Status Report and post it up.

Can you give a bit more back story regarding the speed sensor Codes. Did they all appear at once or what.? Were they hard faults right from the get go or have they been coming and going for a while before setting permanently.?
I'll have to figure out how to post up the report, never ran that one before. It's the OEM manual. 268X codes all appeared at same hour. That was over 100 hrs ago. This has been a backup machine as I worked on some emissions/engine issues. Emissions faults had highest priority so I never noticed that the speed sensor faults were an causing an audible alarm at the same time
 

Nige

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 22, 2011
Messages
38,673
Location
G..G..G..Granville.........!! Fetch your cloth.
I'll have to figure out how to post up the report, never ran that one before.
See this YT video. The only thing you have to be careful to save it in Adobe Pdf format as opposed to the default .xml format (mentioned round about the 6:00 mark) otherwise the person reading it has to have ET on their computer in order be able to see the report.

 

flipz34

Member
Joined
Oct 11, 2016
Messages
10
Location
Texas
Here is the report.

Without the inclinometer connected, I have the 3700-3 active. Connecting a jumper to ground per step 5 of the troubleshooting, the active code switches to 3700-4 telling me the sensor has failed
 

Attachments

  • TAW05187_PSRPT_2026-06-17_16.28.37.pdf
    56.3 KB · Views: 5

Nige

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 22, 2011
Messages
38,673
Location
G..G..G..Granville.........!! Fetch your cloth.
Another suggestion. I’m personally not keen on the resistance tests to check wiring integrity in the troubleshooting procedures for the speed sensors. A wire can be hanging on by a thread and still register continuity if you only measure resistance.

I would suggest that you check wiring using a fused 3-5A test light. Unplug the wiring at both the sensor end and also at the 70-pin plug on the ECM. Jumper one end of a specific wire to machine frame ground then apply batt+ via the test light to the other end. If the wire being tested will pass that amperage then I reckon you can call it good.
 

Chrisso

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 6, 2021
Messages
581
Location
Australia
Occupation
Diesel Mechanic
It could be that the speed sensor circuits are more sensitive to bad 8v supply/return signals than the thumbwheel.

For what it's worth, disconnect the inclinometer sensor harness up the top, just before it starts to run down the load frame, where it branches off from the main machine harness.
 

flipz34

Member
Joined
Oct 11, 2016
Messages
10
Location
Texas
I was finally able to get back out to the shop and build a load test light using a spare cab work light I had lying around. All wiring to speed sensors light up as do the three wires to the inclinometer. Light seems just as bright through machine harness as it does connected directly to the battery. I did find the the harness was plugged in backwards (LH sensor connected to RH harness) as I was hooking everything up. Corrected that but I'm not sure if that could cause the issue I'm having. I'll get everything hooked back up and test tomorrow.
 
Top