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Some Line Boring Pics

RayF

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Well its difficult but not impossible. It was done and actually exceeded the spec. That's why it was so interesting to see being done.. The sagging issue was overcome by some simple but ingenious tricks and the surface finish was 3 microns as well.
 

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Ahh OK.. Must have done it in a temperature controlled room then.. Makes you wonder why it was not done in the US if the shaft was from Canada.. It would make you feel a bit proud if we could do something like that here that could not be done anywhere else int he world...
 

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What kind of bore system are you using? I like the idea of being able to weld and bore without changing machines out completely. I run a Climax setup with an older Boretech welder. Your system sounds much handier. I just finished strut and "A" frame bores on a 777. I had to do the strut bores with the tires on so it wasn't as straight forward as I would have liked. One other question, what kind of bore mics are you using? I seen the one in the 994 pictures that went around the bar. I need a set of those bad.
 

RayF

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What kind of bore system are you using? I like the idea of being able to weld and bore without changing machines out completely. I run a Climax setup with an older Boretech welder. Your system sounds much handier. I just finished strut and "A" frame bores on a 777. I had to do the strut bores with the tires on so it wasn't as straight forward as I would have liked. One other question, what kind of bore mics are you using? I seen the one in the 994 pictures that went around the bar. I need a set of those bad.
Truckdoctor,here is the link to the machinery I use http://www.hofmann.net.au/pdf/lineborermkii.pdf Its made here in Perth Australia. The Climax and the Hofmann are both professionally built machines and each has its own benefits. For instance the Hofmann would be hard pressed to weld those strut bores with the tyres on. But on some other jobs the Hofmann has the edge.
Those Inside Mikes are available from Hofmann. That one in the pic is a prototype they made me up to try. Its good for 150mm to 300. I have made them myself for up to 20 inch bores by just mounting a Mistutoyo mike thimble to a steel bow.You can set them to size with an outside mike and they work very well.
 

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Ahh OK.. Must have done it in a temperature controlled room then.. Makes you wonder why it was not done in the US if the shaft was from Canada.. It would make you feel a bit proud if we could do something like that here that could not be done anywhere else int he world...
That job was way beyond my expertise but I remember a little of it. The tolerance asked for originally was 5 microns. A number of shops around the globe were asked to do it. I think at that time the closest was a shop in Japan who promised 7 or 8 microns. Hofmanns agreed to 5 but achieved 3. They ended up doing two shafts over time but knocked back anymore because the man power with that kind of expertise was being taken off other work.
It was machined mainly at night when temps were more stable but they monitored constantly. The shaft was mounted on white metal bearings attached to the bed of the lathe and not mounted in the chuck or tailstock. It was turned by the chuck with a shaft with 2 universal joints. The shaft was turned for a number of hours to let the bow equalise before machining started. Also the oil feed to the white metal bearings was synchronised to provide oil films the same thickness either end. There was much more but thats what I remember of it:)
 

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Did the wheels look like they were in line;)

abitta nostelga for ya Ray

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Ray do you find that today you do work that say 30 years ago would have been done by disassembling the machine and taking the parts to a workshop to be put on a big machine like a horizontal borer?

I wonder what the future will bring... Portable CNC controlled borers capable of threading and everything in between....
 

RayF

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Ray do you find that today you do work that say 30 years ago would have been done by disassembling the machine and taking the parts to a workshop to be put on a big machine like a horizontal borer?

I wonder what the future will bring... Portable CNC controlled borers capable of threading and everything in between....
RC, I think at least here in WA 95 percent of boring work on bigger stuff like heavy excavator booms,sticks and buckets are done with portable equipment.
When I started in 1988 Hofmanns had just developed their first Mark 1 machine and it immediately changed the way things were done as it was the only professional machine around here at the time.
It seemed one day I was doing Cat 920 and 930 loader frames and buckets and next thing the first generation of Liebherr 994's were wearing out and all of a sudden I'm all the state over doing 600mm bores and 850mm faces on the swing box mounts. It was a very sudden and steep learning curve.
And of course with reclamation work the fact that we can weld and machine in the one set up right where the machine died means that its much more cost efficient than dismantling and getting it to a shop.
The 3rd reason is that sadly very few workshops have floor borers with a table big enough to sit a 30 tonne 12 metre long boom on. Hofmanns do but their machinery is generally booked out 2 years in advance. RCR have as well although they can't traverse 12 metres to do it all in one set up.
So really all the bigger buckets from say 50 tonne up are done by portable equipment. Shops like Leightons or BHP will do the fabrication and repairs in house. Then send it to RCR or Hofmanns for stress relieving and the comes back for line boring.
At one of the meeting I had with Hofmanns regarding the Mark 3 machine it was mentioned that the new model will be a fill in before portable line boring machinery will be going NC. I can't picture it myself but I suppose its got to happen. I suppose at present onsite line boring is one of the last jobs around where you have to have old fashioned manual skills to do the job. People coming through sometimes don't have those skills but can program a computer to do anything. I can't see it being acceptable in years to come either that you climb on top of a scraper gooseneck to weld and machine a steering bore or wriggle under a D10 in the mud to do the equaliser bar pivots. Interesting times ahead:)
 

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Well if one thing Ray looking at the brochure got me another Leightons plant number from that image of the D10N lift cylinder bores you were doing.

One thing i always found in the tractor game is (if you can get them), earthmoving electricians, machinists, welders and even crane hire outfits make a difference when compared to just there namesakes, i don,t mean that in a derogatory way but if you can get those guys that are switched into it it just makes that little bit more difference that can sometimes be the difference between a good day and a bad day.

You certainly look like the earthmoving machinist to me.

Small niche world the line boring stuff and in almost 30 years of being involved with earthmoving machinery in NSW i reckon i could count on 2 hands the guys who would do it.
 

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Gavin,earthmoving machinist's are a different breed. Its about the only machining I know.:) I was fortunate to work with some of the good old time fitters and machinist's from the older days who were trusting enough to let me loose in their workshops and pass onto me all they had learned.
I'm slowing down but enjoy passing on to some of the newer blokes in the game a bit of what I have learnt.
 

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Ray did you get any school training or is the majority of your experience learned on the job? It doesn't seem like there is much out there for training unless it is through a machining equipment dealer. I haven't had the luxury to work in a machine shop before I started line boring so much of what can be done with a bar I am still learning.
 
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RayF

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I did not know very much at all Truckdoctor. I had some background operating plant so knew how things worked. I also thought I was good welder but my welding experience was structural work. As I said previous I worked in some shops that had very experienced men who were happy to pass on knowledge. Also within 12 months of starting I picked up a job boring a couple of new iron ore stackers which was 6 months work. To do that I bought another machine and employed a very experienced machinist who I had met at a workshop. He worked for me for around 6 years and taught me heaps as well. Now,20 years later he is retired but still comes and runs a lathe for me part time:) So for someone wanting to get into this type of machining its a matter of having a go and picking the brains of people who know more than you do and also those that don't. You can also learn from looking at a job badly done or set up by someone else. Around here there are a couple of shops who do nothing else but earthmoving machining. They turn out some good men too.
 

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Thanks for the answers and the patience. I'll chime in with the rest that you do amazing work. I had a chance to go down there to Perth and work and didn't take it. If I knew guys like you were down there and had that kind of talent, I would have moved for sure. One of my foremans from the past told me that if I wanted to learn real equipment maintenance and repair I needed to go to Australia. He worked for Washington Group and had a chance to do some traveling. I would say that he was right.
 

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I work in power plants.A few years ago we did a power uprate on a high pressure steam rotor in a nuclear power station.The machine used was very similar to the one in the video link.I was a bit surprised to see that rotor being turned in an open bearing saddle with just an oil film to spin on.I still remember the balance runs they did on it,i watched a couple spin up to 400 rpm ,sounded like a 747 getting ready for takeoff.Very interesting seeing it being worked on.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE2O1LJ7XCQ
 

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Thanks Truckdoctor.Still plenty to do in Perth. Come on down ;)
Spent the last few days on an Elphinstone/Cat Lever. I took a few pics but left the camera in the workshop. I'll try and get them posted posted tomorrow.:) Also got a pallet load of Haul Truck tank parts to machine and another Cat truck axle to bore. Also got a Drake float suspension coming in that could turn out to be a lot of work. Its not the best weather here for welding either!
 
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