mrdenial
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Sorry that it's blurry
Still makes me cringe to look at it.
-Daniel
Sorry that it's blurry
Still makes me cringe to look at it.
-Daniel
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Killed my brand new Cat 247b
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PSDF350
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Not to bash but why wasn't your first instinct to drop that bucket just as fast as it would go?
Squizzy246B
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The Cat anti-stall system is the reason why it could not be bogged with the hydraulics.
digger242j
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mrdenial said:Sorry that it's blurry
Still makes me cringe to look at it.
-Daniel
Ya know, up on its toes like that, the tracks sorta resemble ballet shoes...
:wink2
mrdenial
Member
It happened so fast. I really didn't think it was going to tip and then when it did I couldn't react. Now that I've gone throught this experience, I'll be sure to ride with the load low and I'll know to slam the bucket down if this happens again.
tylermckee
Senior Member
Really, on any piece of equipment be it a skid, excavator, backhoe, loader, you should really keep your load low and lift it when you need to. I see guys on backhoes all the time loading into trucks they start lifting the bucket way up way before then even get to the truck, while i time it so that the bucket is just high enough as it's passing over the side of the box. its very important to keep your load low when working on any kind of slope.
Grader4me
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tylermckee said:
I have seen worse than that...putting the bucket all the way up while backing up when loading trucks:spaz
Grader4me
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digger242j said:
It also kinda resembles some of the people that I've seen in ballet shoes:eek2
Tigerotor77W
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Squizzy246B said:
I stalled a 277B the other day. :Cowboy I was very impressed with myself, because I haven't been able to stall a [correctly adjusted] Cat before.
The way to stall it is to operate both boom/bucket at the same time as operating the forward/reverse -- given from the picture, however, this wouldn't have been all too feasible... especially not in that position! And remember, it's easy to see what we could have or should have done, but it's harder when you're in that spot and are trying to think of the best and safest method of going about it.
digger242j
Administrator
Which is to say, don't beat up on somebody else, or yourself, for screwing up, because it happens to all of us eventually.
On the other hand, that's one of the reasons I always try to share when I screw up, and am happy to read about other's screw ups too--this very discussion might save somebody an engine, or a limb, or a life, somewhere down the road, because now they've had the opportunity to think about that unfortunate event, and the best course of action away from it, in advance. :thumbsup
Tigerotor77W
Senior Member
Absolutely. I'm supposed to get some stick time on Thursday (with 11 other interns), and I'll let you know if something stupid happens to me... ie, rolling the machine over on a 45 degree bank.
(Which may be fine for most of you, but my hands have no experience on hills!)
Anyhow... did the dealer give any resolution to the 247B issue? Any insurance claim ability there?
(Which may be fine for most of you, but my hands have no experience on hills!)
Anyhow... did the dealer give any resolution to the 247B issue? Any insurance claim ability there?
Coastal
Senior Member
Man that sucks, I know from my rock crawling 4x4 experience, as soon as you flop, shut that engine off! Engines apparantly dont like it when the cylinders fill with oil and you try to start it. :Banghead
Dwan Hall
Senior Member
Coastal said:
From experance they don't like running with no oil around the pickup tube eather.
Cat420
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Just to add to an already long thread...
As others have said, it's good to keep a load low at all times. However, on machines like backhoes you are sitting up higher and should start to feel uncomfortable long before your actually in danger if you are going slow. On skid steers you are sitting much lower and chances are that the machine could be in danger of tipping before you start to feel it. Personally, the thought of ruining a very nice machine is enough to make me take it easy. Any small increase in productivity is not worth the risk if you ask me.
As others have said, it's good to keep a load low at all times. However, on machines like backhoes you are sitting up higher and should start to feel uncomfortable long before your actually in danger if you are going slow. On skid steers you are sitting much lower and chances are that the machine could be in danger of tipping before you start to feel it. Personally, the thought of ruining a very nice machine is enough to make me take it easy. Any small increase in productivity is not worth the risk if you ask me.
Tigerotor77W
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Cat420, since we're on the subject of tipping over, let me ask -- how steep of a grade could I be on before a BHL tips? I was running a Volvo over some backfilled dirt when the right rear tire sank in about five or six inches... I was really nervous, but how far can I sink in (or how steep of a grade could I be on) before a BHL will tip on its side?
Cat420
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Tigerotor77W said:
The machine can go a lot farther than is comfortable for the operator, but it's best to leave a safety margin for soft spots or simply just momentum from driving over rough ground. I don't know a figure for the maximum grade, but this picture from Cat's website shows how far you can go. And of course the grade you can safely operate on decreases very quickly as the arms are raised.
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Bob Horrell
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Swing the boom around on the uphill side and put the bucket out as far as it will go and you will be surprised at how much of a side hill you can traverse.
I was working on a side hill one winter and the ground started to give away under the down hill tires. No matter what I tried it kept slipping farther and farther and I was sure I was going to roll. Then I got the idea of letting the air out of the up hill tires and I drove out no problem. I even finished the job.
I was working on a side hill one winter and the ground started to give away under the down hill tires. No matter what I tried it kept slipping farther and farther and I was sure I was going to roll. Then I got the idea of letting the air out of the up hill tires and I drove out no problem. I even finished the job.
miKe F.
Active Member
theres no doubt in my mind the skidsteers love to rock around and try and tip. i had a couple small tips before in my earlier days, but now i know better than to lift it high when i'm not near the truck/bin. One way of preventing the tip when it begins is to gently jolt it forward while dropping the bucket (it takes alot of practice)
farmerted44
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ive seen em do fine on a 2:1 w/ hoe swung uphill, and i seen em roll on what they thought was level ground, soft spots,not paying attention ect.